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Post by freckles on Jun 3, 2019 6:17:45 GMT -5
The Iran deal getting chucked out the window is trump's idea of negotiating. A 'great negotiator'as trump proclaims himself to be. No The original Iran deal cracked the door open for a good negotiator to open further and do some true negotiating and gain some more ground. Trump just slams the door shut. Trump is no negotiator. Trump is a demander. You either give him every single thing he wants,or he slams the door closed and walks away. That is a demand. And done very childishly and without thought. Doesnt matter how bad the original deal was.he just made the deal worse.not better. And that is trump's proven style. On everything he touches
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Post by austin on Jun 3, 2019 7:23:01 GMT -5
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Post by freckles on Jun 3, 2019 9:25:01 GMT -5
The Iran Deal is not a treaty or executive agreement, and is not a signed document. It reflects political commitments between Iran, the P5+1, and the EU. A member of the deal can stop complying with its obligations at any time it deems fit. Iran has been building missiles for years and selling them to any terrorist group who can afford them. Hamas, Isis, the Taliban, countries such as Yemen, Libya, Syria are some of their many clients. Boeing and Airbus have multi billion dollar contracts with them. Chinas CITIC bank provides $10 billion lines of credit to Iranian banks. China also took over the French company Total S.A. and won a project in the Iran South Pars gas field that could be hit by US sanctions. Their (Iran) economy will be greatly effected and not in a good way. Too bad. And of course large Companies and Lobbyists in the United States are pissed. It hits them right in their pocketbook. Too bad. The price you pay for dealing with such countries. On the floor of the Iranian Parliament they set fire to a copy of the Iran Deal amid chants of "death to America.They also set fire to a United States flag. They make no bones about their long standing hatred of the U.S. and they also have voiced their dislike of France, Germany and the U.K. Israel recently published intelligence documents,long concealed by Iran, conclusively showing the Iranian regime and its history of pursuing nuclear weapons. Iran was not in compliance, because under the deal's terms Iran was supposed to reveal ALL of its research into nuclear weapons which it clearly did not. Once a sneaky snake, ALWAYS a sneaky snake. FACT I will address some of your other FACTS when I have more time. But I do want to say before I leave that I noticed that all of Hearts, Dragon fly or whatever she chooses to call herself, posts have been deleted. I find that rather one-sided and gives some credence to her censoring argument. If you want a debate than ALL sides and ALL posts should remain standing for all to see. Not just a few chosen ones. Do you know anything about history? The middle east was never interested in causing problems for the United states until middle eastern countries became more and more concerned (and rightfully concerned) about our government sticking its nose into other people's business. It didn't happen until they saw our actions in the Korean war followed by the Vietnam war. The middle east has been in a constant state of internal warfare since there were more than 2 people to populate it. Some of those countries rightly saw what was coming by the aforementioned wars,that even though we lost both,America was out to enforce it's own beliefs on the world at large. Our involvement in Vietnam is when middle eastern terrorism began really targeting the u.s. Not only did they see our need for oil,they their own internal strife was an opening for America to seize what it wanted and to intrude in every facet of their way of life,and cramming our system down their throats. Guess what happens when folks feel like they are being pushed into a corner? They lash out anyway they can. A vast number of Americans would react the same way if say..Russia or China did the same thing to us. Small countries(for the most part) know they couldn't win a war on American soil with traditional tactics and arms. So they fell back on a weapon they do have. Terrorism. And our government keeps feeding the flames. There is no way to defeat terrorism. Because you cannot always tell when where who or how. That's why it works. Want it to end? Stop terrorizing the poor bastards. We have zero business over there. Except the humanitarian issue. You dont use bombs and bullets to solve humanitarian issues. Except to assassinate a few people in charge. Not by bombing entire countries. Not by sending in armies. As history has shown,bombs and bullets just cause more humanitarian issues. Brains beat brawn every time. America needs to start using its brains and stop flexing its brawn.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 15:55:28 GMT -5
Actually our interest in Middle East oil goes further back then the VietNam War. In the early 1900s the United States had provided the Middle East with highly skilled petroleum engineers. Does the 1928 Red Line Agreement ring a bell? The Red Line Agreement had been part of a network of agreements made in the 1920s between the U.S. and the Middle East to restrict supply of petroleum and ensure that the major [mostly American] companies ... could control oil prices on world markets. So yeah, they saw our "need" for oil long before Korea or Vietnam. How about the Anglo-American Petroleum Agreement signed in 1944? But what do I know about history?
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Post by freckles on Jun 3, 2019 20:43:49 GMT -5
Good. I was keeping it simple because the vast majority of people have no idea any of those things ever happened. So With all that provocation from america... What would you do in their shoes? I know I would rebel In the most devastating way i could. So they do. And the most devastating effect they have found effective is terrorism. And now they are being pushed even further. This a problem our government played a very large hand in creating. The only way to solve the problem is to stop telling them to screw themselves. Stop taking what is not ours. Stop killing innocent people. Help them recover and be able to support themselves in peacetime once again.
Not only did trump slam the door closed on iran, He walked out on all our partner countries involved in the deal. Wrong move on so many levels. Once again. Not negotiating anything with anybody. Merely throwing a tantrum and demanding his way or the highway. Bet ya a nickel trump has no clue about the prior history and causation we both posted.
You know the difference between a demander and a dictator? One minor thing. The military will not back his dictatorship. Give home a few generals bowing blindly and filling his every whim, And trump's dreams come true. He would be the United states first dictator. Not that very many other politicians would not jump at the same chance.
There is simply something wrong with anybody who needs to tell others what to think and how to live there lives,beyond the golden rule Treat others as you would gave them treat you,and to respect and follow the rules that make society safe and functional. The whole middle east needs to be handled entirely different if there will ever be peace between them and us. Demands have certainly proven not to be effective
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Post by freckles on Jun 4, 2019 19:27:03 GMT -5
Truth be told.. Trump again proves he cannot tell the truth. He says he hasn't seen and doesnt know about any protests in Britain protesting his visit to the country. Might be believed if he went into one building and stayed there. And lost his habit of staying up all night watching the news. Reality says,hes not only personally seen the protests while going from place to place in london,and has not seen a television set while in country. To be honest It's the opposite response I expected. I thought he would explode on twitter,like he normally does,denouncing the protesters and calling them a bunch of losers. But He did remain true to his base. He simply tells lies. Any real surprise there?
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Post by homernoseid on Jun 6, 2019 7:33:21 GMT -5
Just so we’re ALL clear:
No Obama investigations. No Obama Special Counsel investigations. No Obama administration indictments. No drama... Obama.
Hillary Clinton Benghazi "Investigation" 4 years 0 indictments 0 convictions
Hillary Clinton Email "Investigation" 2 years 0 indictments 0 convictions
Trump-Russia Investigation 15 months 34 Indictments/Charges (Individuals) (and counting) 3 Indictments/Charges (Companies) 5 GUILTY pleas (and counting) 4 CONVICTIONS (and counting) Indicted: Roger Stone Indicted: Paul Manafort Indicted: Rick Gates Indicted: George Papadopoulos Indicted: Michael Flynn Indicted: Michael Cohen Indicted: Richard Pinedo Indicted: Alex van der Zwaan Indicted: Konstantin Kilimnik Indicted: 12 Russian GRU officers Indicted: Yevgeny Prigozhin Indicted: Mikhail Burchik Indicted: Aleksandra Krylova Indicted: Anna Bogacheva Indicted: Sergey Polozov Indicted: Maria Bovda Indicted: Dzheykhun Aslanov Indicted: Vadim Podkopaev Indicted: Irina Kaverzina Indicted: Gleb Vasilchenko Indicted: Internet Research Agency Indicted: Concord Management Guilty Plea: Michael Flynn Guilty Plea: Michael Cohen Guilty Plea: George Papadopolous Guilty Plea: Richard Pinedo Guilty Plea: Alex van der Zwaan Guilty Plea: Rick Gates Over 191 Criminal Charges (and counting): Conspiracy against the USA (2 counts) Conspiracy to launder money (2 counts) Bank fraud (8 counts) Bank fraud conspiracy (10 counts) Subscribing to false tax returns (10 counts) Making false statements (6 counts) Failure to file reports of foreign bank accounts (14 counts) Unregistered agent of a foreign principal (2 counts) False FARA statements (2 counts) Subscribing to false tax returns (10 counts) Assisting in preparation of false tax documents (5 counts) Conspiracy to defraud the United States (13 counts) Conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud (2 counts) Aggravated identity theft (24 counts)
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Post by freckles on Jun 6, 2019 9:29:50 GMT -5
That's fake news brother. All made up by the FBI and the justice department. Those are all very fine people that dont deserve what happened to them. Why?because it's ok for trump and his buddies to flagrantly do all the things he says he wants to put everybody else in jail for. But darn it,the king of the second grade is king of the world now,so what he says should be unquestioned. Just do and believe everything trump says or does and the world will be perfect place!! Just ask him He says the same thing all the time. Being the smartest guy in the universe gives him every right!!
Disclaimer. Sarcasm drips from this post Carefull not to get any on your shoes
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Post by homernoseid on Jun 6, 2019 14:05:13 GMT -5
laughing laughing
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Post by freckles on Jun 7, 2019 18:44:00 GMT -5
Here is some more truth. Trump thinks our moon is part of mars. Uhhhhhhhhhhh....really? Here is an opinion. It's just plain awesome to have a president with alzheimer's!! Or A president that is so ignorant..no..its past ignorance. To have a president that is soooooo stupid... Yet his base gets on their knees and prays to a loud mouth moron.
Here is a fact. Trump has got to go
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Post by freckles on Jun 8, 2019 16:21:10 GMT -5
What happened blues? After you googled some history you no longer have a rebuttal? Understand why Iranians hate the United states so much? Can you blame them after the things our government has done to the everyday citizens in the middle east? Once again The lies our government propagated,and were taught to be truth pur entire lives,is debunked. Unfortunately Our folks believe what the government says, Or pays no never mind because it doesnt really make any difference in their lives. Learn the truth before hatred forms. My problem with terrorists,foreign or american( yes,our government included) Is the fact that they attack,maiming and killing,people that have nothing to do with the problems that governments create. Innocent bystanders instead of the guilty parties. That, And that alone is my issue with any government,group of people or single individuals fighting back the only way they can think of. The problem did not begin with the citizens of our countries. The problems were created by governments. Take your issues to the people that created the problem Not people that have never done anything against you.
Disclaimer I do not condone violence.that will never be the answer. Violence begets violence. Violence creates many more problems than it solves. But If you are going that route anyway... Take your problems to the people that did wrong unto you. Not innocent people that brought no harm to you
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2019 2:59:26 GMT -5
A rebuttal to what? The majority of your posts are a novella repeating the same thoughts and opinions. Ending with your favorite word... "Fact". Go read them for yourself. And yet you give no historical events, dates or evidence to back up what you say. Keeping it "simple" so average folks can understand. confused-37
An old dude who lives away from people because you don't like being around them. Wandering around your house and property in your underwear. Your own admissions from other threads. Pissing off your porch and basking in your own superiority. Instead of being a patronizing know it all maybe realize we are all Americans who love this country. And we all share some common ground. Patriotism goes way beyond who is President, the politics of the day and one way of looking at things. TRUTH!!
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Post by freckles on Jun 9, 2019 7:01:36 GMT -5
How very adult of you. Unfortunately Most of your assumptions are as wrong as your hero trumps are. Guess you got your degree from trump u?
You are correct about the patronizing though.after 3 years of trump followers arguements the rest of the world has learned to keep it simple.have too. It's the only way trump admirers can follow the conversation.
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Post by homernoseid on Jun 9, 2019 10:01:22 GMT -5
You can always spot a conservative. They base their knowledge on biased BS spewed from FOX News and resort to childish name calling tactics when they have a disagreement. Jesus said, "judge not, that ye be not judged." Christians are almost unanimously among the most judgmental lot. Go figure.
Trump is a shining example of how much our nation has deteriorated from under education and foolish pride. I mock him because he represents everything absurd in America. Only in this century and in this land could such a hypocrite, self-entitled, buffoon ascend to power. Anyone, and I mean absolutely ANYONE, who supports him should be banned from the polls in 2020. The destruction he has caused to our environment, animals, education system, working class, and reputation are quite possibly irreversible. Hitler would have been a better and more honest candidate 3 years ago! Like sheep lining up to slaughter, Republicans follow this lunatic. It angers me as an American. And it should you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 3:41:57 GMT -5
You can always spot a conservative. They base their knowledge on biased BS spewed from FOX News and resort to childish name calling tactics when they have a disagreement. Jesus said, "judge not, that ye be not judged." Christians are almost unanimously among the most judgmental lot. Go figure. Trump is a shining example of how much our nation has deteriorated from under education and foolish pride. I mock him because he represents everything absurd in America. Only in this century and in this land could such a hypocrite, self-entitled, buffoon ascend to power. Anyone, and I mean absolutely ANYONE, who supports him should be banned from the polls in 2020. The destruction he has caused to our environment, animals, education system, working class, and reputation are quite possibly irreversible. Hitler would have been a better and more honest candidate 3 years ago! Like sheep lining up to slaughter, Republicans follow this lunatic. It angers me as an American. And it should you. For someone who claims he is not a Christian you sure seem obsessed with them. And you are telling us nothing new. We all know Christians are judgmental but guess what? Everyone can be judgmental, part of the human condition. Not reserved for one specific group. Get over the religion thing. And you might want to consider some anger management therapy 'cause I don't see anyone in the Democratic lineup beating Trump. Their debates coming up should be good entertainment. laughing
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Post by freckles on Jun 15, 2019 8:32:33 GMT -5
Trump goes on national television and literally invites foreign nations to collude with him to get re-elected. The stable genius is so stupid,he learned nothing from all the investigations against him.now he will be crying and burning up Twitter about the new investigation he just brought upon himself. Its another completely unfounded witch hunt! Kelly Anne has been breaking the law and has been recommended for termination. But the White House refuses to follow laws,and she is such a great person doing an outstanding job! Yep.breaking the law while doing your job definitely makes you an outstanding person!
Apparently you have not turned the channel from fox. Every poll has Biden way out in front of trump. The only reason alot of people ever voted for trump is because they refused to vote hillary. Hillary is out of the equation now,and those voters are pretty comfortable with biden.even Republicans that have been screwed over by trump.farmers,ranchers,businesses that depend on China for parts or materials will be hard pressed to vote for him again. The next term trump serves will most likely be a stint in the graybar hotel. He has broken far too many laws too many times to walk away after his one term presidency ends. But trump's core trumpetears close their eyes ears and mind so they cant see the reality of the situation.how very sad for them and our nation that is suffering and broken because of it
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Post by freckles on Jun 15, 2019 8:42:37 GMT -5
Oh yes And dont forget to take into consideration all the young people that have never voted before getting involved. Millennials and younger have socialist leanings,and have the numbers to take a big chunk of the vote. I dont really want to see complete socialism. Unfortunately,due to greed and power hungry individuals,some things do need to be socialized. Doesnt really matter though. Our government is so corrupt it has no thoughts to doing what is right and making life better for its common citizens,so even if we went socialist,the politicians would still be out for themselves and their own agendas. Simply because we don't matter to most of them
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 15:21:39 GMT -5
Joe Biden, yeah there is an honest man. His first run for the presidency in 1987 he took to paraphrasing British Labour politician Neil Kinnock on the campaign trail. I remember at the Iowa State fair that summer he borrowed facts from Kinnock’s life, stating falsely, for example, that he was the first in his family to go to college and that his ancestors were coal miners. His plagiarism of passages from Robert F. Kennedy and Hubert Humphrey, that he passed off as his own. Exaggerating his academic credentials.
His second run 20 years later he dropped out after securing only 1 percent of the delegates in the Iowa Democratic caucuses. He is not, and never has been, a favorite in this state. Being such good buddies with Obama, he actually posted friendship bracelets he had made...... I'm still chuckling over that one. It still amazes me that Obama tapped him on the shoulder for vice president despite all of his personal and political gaffes and plagiarisms.
His flip flopping about issues he previously was for/against. Make up your mind old man!! He is just another tired old establishment figure who thinks the third time will be a charm. Yeah, right.
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Post by freckles on Jun 16, 2019 11:02:59 GMT -5
Yet trump's lies,outright perjury and criminal actions far outnumber bidens.
So.... You mean Biden isn't nearly the con man trump is so he doesnt qualify to be president?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2019 1:51:49 GMT -5
Since Trump hasn't been charged with any criminal actions or testified under oath in any court it would be kinda hard to charge him with perjury. Or do you need me to give you the definition of perjury? Quote your sources and proof. Otherwise stick with the liar you do know.
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Post by freckles on Jun 20, 2019 6:53:53 GMT -5
Sources and facts are all over the place. Except trump,fox news or CNN news.those are usually not going to tell you the truth. Many many others sure do. You are right that you are voting for a liar. The most prolific liar ever to sit in the white house.
It's amazing he thinks he can get a 2nd term. Hes never seen an approval rating of 50% Never.usually not even close to 50% Every poll out there(except the one in his mind) has him as the most unpopular president ever. And every poll out there(except the one in his mind) has him behind EVERY major democratic wannabe.
Look it up and see for yourself
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Post by freckles on Jun 20, 2019 7:12:33 GMT -5
I'm definitely not saying we have any really good choices, But at least do not choose the worst of what we have
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Post by homernoseid on Jun 22, 2019 16:32:57 GMT -5
Oh we already know the type of (ahem) man she thinks is the right choice. Sadly, not all can recognize men or adults and assume it comes with age/birth.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2019 3:38:33 GMT -5
WTF does that sad piece of rambling even mean? Assume men or adults come with age? Good lord man if you just show up in a blue moon to toss out an insult at least make it coherent. Eat another donut and work on the insults.
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Post by freckles on Jun 26, 2019 18:05:57 GMT -5
Perhaps a discussion instead of insults on his part Your part My part And anybody else's? We're all adults Even though some of our views dont make sense to others We CAN do this civilly.
Midnight It sure seems like you just admitted trump is a snake. After all...trump IS the main topic of discussion in this thread.
Perhaps the original version of black snake moan would be appropriate?
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Post by austin on Jun 27, 2019 10:13:10 GMT -5
I have allowed a political category so people could express their views and have fun with making fun of all of the politicians because they are all a bunch of crooks who only care about getting wealthy. I don't like the fact that is has turned into hailing insults back and forth at each other. Can we clean it up even if I am accused of censorship?
Is there any candidate you really trust?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 21:50:54 GMT -5
Perhaps a discussion instead of insults on his part Your part My part And anybody else's? We're all adults Even though some of our views dont make sense to others We CAN do this civilly. Midnight It sure seems like you just admitted trump is a snake. After all...trump IS the main topic of discussion in this thread. Perhaps the original version of black snake moan would be appropriate? The original version of that song was recorded by Vistoria Spivey in 1926 as "Black Snake Blues". Blind Lemon Jefferson recorded it a year later as "Black Snake Moan". His version sold much better and made his recording more widely known to this day. It has been an ongoing controversy about the meaning behind the song, whether it was about personal demons or sexual innuendo as many popular songs of the time traditionally were. Go listen to a few, especially by the female Blues pioneers. Women such as Bessie Smith, Lucille Bogan, Sippie Wallace, Helen Humes and Bertha "Chippie" Hill to name a few. I tend to think it was a little of both but tilting towards the sexual. But if you just go by the lyrics and know nothing about the man singing the song, his life (yes he had his demons, don't we all) who later died by freezing to death on the streets of Chicago, then you would probably lean towards the sexual innuendo. I'll post the lyrics to the song below and YOU tell me why you think it would be more appropriate. After all you brought it up. Personally I think you over reached with that particular choice. Black Snake Moan I, I ain't got no mama now I, I ain't got no mama now She told me late last night, "You don't need no mama no how" Mmm, mmm, black snake crawlin' in my room Mmm, mmm, black snake crawlin' in my room Some pretty mama better come and get this black snake soon Ohh-oh, that must have been a bed bug, baby a chinch Can't bite that hard Ohh-oh, that must have been a bed bug, honey a chinch can't bite that hard Ask my sugar for fifty cents, she said "Lemon, ain't a child in the yard" Mama, that's all right, mama that's all right for you Mama, that's all right, mama that's all right for you Mama, that's all right, most seen all you do Mmm, mmm, what's the matter now? Mmm, mmm, honey what's the matter now? Sugar, what's the matter, don't like no black snake no how Mmm, mmm, wonder where my black snake gone? Mmm, mmm, wonder where this black snake gone? Black snake mama done run my darlin' home
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 22:08:28 GMT -5
And to Austin, I will return to my Music and leave you all to make fun as much as you like. Each to their own as they say.
You can come out of hiding now Homer and post away with the memes, I won't step on your toes. hi-103
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Post by freckles on Jun 29, 2019 6:43:33 GMT -5
Austin..no.never ever trust anyone running for president. Except Mickey mouse.vote Mickey mouse!
Midnite..I did not know all that about the original black snake. I never thought it was a sexual song.intersting some folks take it that way though
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